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[rebelp74]

I agree with you, I couldn't do it in. They're just following orders, that and they don't give a shit. Once the dog alerted, you're considered smuggling unitl they've searched the whole boat.

[3legged_lab]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

I don't know, but can you imagine doing it AND getting paid a salary for it?

[DeadEye_Dan]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

Wearing that badge don't make you right.

[Feelin' Fowl]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

I'm willing to bet that they guy with the sawzall was doing as he was told. He doesn't do his job, and the kids don't eat. IMO questioning ethics, especially in a military position, is not a part of the job description...

"We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It’s that simple. Are we clear?" - Col. Jessep

[quacknstack6]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

I'm willing to bet that they guy with the sawzall was doing as he was told. He doesn't do his job, and the kids don't eat. IMO questioning ethics, especially in a military position, is not a part of the job description...

"We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It’s that simple. Are we clear?" - Col. Jessep

We follow orders yes, but at the same time I have worked with K9 extensively here and their nose is keen enough to where they can tell exactly where something is. They don't cost 40k to train for no reason.

Sent while protecting freedom

[Feelin' Fowl]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

I'm willing to bet that they guy with the sawzall was doing as he was told. He doesn't do his job, and the kids don't eat. IMO questioning ethics, especially in a military position, is not a part of the job description...

"We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It’s that simple. Are we clear?" - Col. Jessep

We follow orders yes, but at the same time I have worked with K9 extensively here and their nose is keen enough to where they can tell exactly where something is. They don't cost 40k to train for no reason.

Sent while protecting freedom

I agree, but if your commanding officer gave you an order, would you follow it, or question his methods/ethics?

I'm not in, nor will I be in your shoes, but I don't think that questioning or getting mad at the guy that does what he is told to do is the way to go...I can't imagine that I would/could feel bad for following orders, but again I haven't been in that situation.

I think that we should respect those that do follow those orders, no matter how hard they may be to follow.

[quacknstack6]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

I'm willing to bet that they guy with the sawzall was doing as he was told. He doesn't do his job, and the kids don't eat. IMO questioning ethics, especially in a military position, is not a part of the job description...

"We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It’s that simple. Are we clear?" - Col. Jessep

We follow orders yes, but at the same time I have worked with K9 extensively here and their nose is keen enough to where they can tell exactly where something is. They don't cost 40k to train for no reason.

Sent while protecting freedom

I agree, but if your commanding officer gave you an order, would you follow it, or question his methods/ethics?

I'm not in, nor will I be in your shoes, but I don't think that questioning or getting mad at the guy that does what he is told to do is the way to go...I can't imagine that I would/could feel bad for following orders, but again I haven't been in that situation.

I think that we should respect those that do follow those orders, no matter how hard they may be to follow.

I question a lot of things that go on now, I have also been in trouble because of my opinionated responses. In the end it would depend on 2 things. 1 does it go against the core values that I have learned and live everyday? 2. Will at any point in time will one of my men be placed in unnecessary danger? If the answer is yes to either one of these then yes I will question it and will refuse to follow through. If the K9 was alerted then by all means search the area. On the same hand though do not cause unnecessary destruction to property. This is where you find a grey area with the military. We have the technology and training to find the smallest detail of drugs, explosives and etc. there is no need to cause the destruction of the magnitude that Rick mentioned unless there was more than just a "tip" presented to them.

Sent while protecting freedom

[Feelin' Fowl]

I question a lot of things that go on now, I have also been in trouble because of my opinionated responses. In the end it would depend on 2 things. 1 does it go against the core values that I have learned and live everyday? 2. Will at any point in time will one of my men be placed in unnecessary danger? If the answer is yes to either one of these then yes I will question it and will refuse to follow through. If the K9 was alerted then by all means search the area. On the same hand though do not cause unnecessary destruction to property. This is where you find a grey area with the military. We have the technology and training to find the smallest detail of drugs, explosives and etc. there is no need to cause the destruction of the magnitude that Rick mentioned unless there was more than just a "tip" presented to them.

Sent while protecting freedom

I'm good with that. Without experience in your field, I'm speaking out of my ass, but I think that we would be better off if more people took your approach. I still don't think that I could get mad at the guy that is following orders. His CO is another story though...

[jehler]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

doc you'll be doing the same thing with a scalpel

[waterfowlman]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

doc you'll be doing the same thing with a scalpel

Incidently, that sawzall incident I described was not an isolated one but something that happens quite often here in south Florida. There are other boat owners with similar stories. A lot of drugs are being smuggled through these waters and the CG and CBP definitely has their hands full trying to stop the flow but their power is pretty much absolute on the open waters of the Atlantic ocean.

[jehler]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

doc you'll be doing the same thing with a scalpel

Incidently, that sawzall incident I described was not an isolated one but something that happens quite often here in south Florida. There are other boat owners with similar stories. A lot of drugs are being smuggled through these waters and the CG and CBP definitely has their hands full trying to stop the flow but their power is pretty much absolute on the open waters of the Atlantic ocean.

inscurance cover that?

[waterfowlman]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

doc you'll be doing the same thing with a scalpel

Incidently, that sawzall incident I described was not an isolated one but something that happens quite often here in south Florida. There are other boat owners with similar stories. A lot of drugs are being smuggled through these waters and the CG and CBP definitely has their hands full trying to stop the flow but their power is pretty much absolute on the open waters of the Atlantic ocean.

inscurance cover that?

I'm not sure JE as it's never happened to me. I know that we have a $50,000 deductible as most other yachts do due to the high cost of insurance. So the boat owner would have to eat that himself.

[ManlyMan]

How could a human being sawzall through all of your shit, look at you, shrug and walk away.

Maybe I just have too much shame, but WTH. I just couldnt ever do that to another person.

Although I can picture law enforcement with their, I'm above the law attitude, thinking because they have a badge it's fine to do.

doc you'll be doing the same thing with a scalpel

HA! Never really thought about it that way.

[Rick]

You mean you don't plan on buttoning your patients back up after you take them apart? Or is that just a substantial extra charge?

[Olly]

I'd bet my next paycheck that if even if the CG was on scene for that they were providing a security zone or back up. It was CBP that cut into those cabinets not the CG. I have never heard of anything close to that while out in the fleet. The CG is way to mellow and boring to do anything like that. I'd also bet that if a CG boarding team was in fact on board they were standing back thinking "oh shit that fucking sucks" as the CBP who are known for this shit ripped through his yacht.

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[Olly]

And I'm not just taking the CG's side blindly either. Seriously we are one of the most bureaucratic branches. I don't think the CG had a real hand in this because of the time it would take to get command approval to do something like that. I've waited hours before just to get permission to board boats. I've heard of cases where it takes hours to get permission to chase a boat that ran from the CG.

So yea I'd be really surprised if you saw a Coastie with the saw in his hand.

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[assateague]

I firmly believe that as soon as that happened, and nothing was found, it should be no-holds-barred. You want to tear my shit up under some "law of the sea" business? Fine. Then I will light you up. Under the same "law of the sea". I'll claim piracy against my vessel, and that I was just defending myself.

[Olly]

At the very least the owner should be paid for the damages but someone should have gotten in trouble for that call.

[assateague]

Happened to a buddy of mine (sort of). This is a big fat hillbilly guy, who was coming home from helping a buddy work on his truck about two months ago. Cops in a small town just down the road stopped him, and said they smelled marijuana. Asked to search his truck, he said no. SO they impounded it, took him to the station, and he had to call his mom to get a ride home. Next afternoon they called and told him he could pick up his truck. The steering wheel was put back on at least, but his dash and all the components, door panels, window cranks, everything, were in the bed of his pickup. Turns out they had a tip that there was a white ford running dope to the projects, and he drives a white ford. Never mind that there are about 300,000 white ford pickups in the area.

Never even got a "sorry about that". Nothing. To this day, he swears he's gonna put that cop in a wall if he gets a half a chance. And he has no recourse whatsoever, according to an attorney.

[Woody]

Happened to a buddy of mine (sort of). This is a big fat hillbilly guy, who was coming home from helping a buddy work on his truck about two months ago. Cops in a small town just down the road stopped him, and said they smelled marijuana. Asked to search his truck, he said no. SO they impounded it, took him to the station, and he had to call his mom to get a ride home. Next afternoon they called and told him he could pick up his truck. The steering wheel was put back on at least, but his dash and all the components, door panels, window cranks, everything, were in the bed of his pickup. Turns out they had a tip that there was a white ford running dope to the projects, and he drives a white ford. Never mind that there are about 300,000 white ford pickups in the area.

Never even got a "sorry about that". Nothing. To this day, he swears he's gonna put that cop in a wall if he gets a half a chance. And he has no recourse whatsoever, according to an attorney.

Similar thing happened to me.
I was driving (admittedly fast), they pulled me over, put me in cuffs, set me on the sidewalk and tore my car apart.
Officer one said, "there is a report of a similar car running drugs down from Kzoo"
They never asked if I gave them consent or anything... no rights were read... nothing.
They left my car in shambles and my consolation prize was I didn't get a ticket for speeding because they had caused me to be 35 minutes late my first day of my first internship in college.

[Flightstopper]

Happened to a buddy of mine (sort of). This is a big fat hillbilly guy, who was coming home from helping a buddy work on his truck about two months ago. Cops in a small town just down the road stopped him, and said they smelled marijuana. Asked to search his truck, he said no. SO they impounded it, took him to the station, and he had to call his mom to get a ride home. Next afternoon they called and told him he could pick up his truck. The steering wheel was put back on at least, but his dash and all the components, door panels, window cranks, everything, were in the bed of his pickup. Turns out they had a tip that there was a white ford running dope to the projects, and he drives a white ford. Never mind that there are about 300,000 white ford pickups in the area.

Never even got a "sorry about that". Nothing. To this day, he swears he's gonna put that cop in a wall if he gets a half a chance. And he has no recourse whatsoever, according to an attorney.

Hmmm and profiling is what...... Illegal, maybe??

[ManlyMan]

All my lawyer buddies say there are only three 3 things you should ever say to the cops.

1 - Am I being detained? If not, I am free to go.

2 - I do not consent.

3 - I would be more than happy to speak with you as soon as my counsel arrives.

[rebelp74]

And I'm not just taking the CG's side blindly either. Seriously we are one of the most bureaucratic branches. I don't think the CG had a real hand in this because of the time it would take to get command approval to do something like that. I've waited hours before just to get permission to board boats. I've heard of cases where it takes hours to get permission to chase a boat that ran from the CG.

So yea I'd be really surprised if you saw a Coastie with the saw in his hand.

Sent from my phone.

I didn't know CG had to get approval to board. I always thought that it was ok for them to do so anytime they wanted in US waters. Atleast I think it is. Something along that anyways in 46 CFR. I could be wrong, I do know they always call the bridge for permission to board but I'm pretty certain they can board regardless of permission.

[Olly]

I didn't know CG had to get approval to board. I always thought that it was ok for them to do so anytime they wanted in US waters. Atleast I think it is. Something along that anyways in 46 CFR. I could be wrong, I do know they always call the bridge for permission to board but I'm pretty certain they can board regardless of permission.

United States Code 14 sec .89 is what gives the USCG the authority to board any vessel. When I said they had to get approval I meant from the local command. A lot of local commands on shore really hate bothering boaters and are only looking to board people that are an obvious or seem to be an obvious violation of some law like safety regulations.

I'm glad that I no longer have to board boats and do that shit. I always enjoyed the life saving part of the job more than the LE side of it.

[ManlyMan]

Scary to board boats?

[Olly]

Scary to board boats?

Nope I just didn't like coming on someone's boat to do an inspection when they didn't do anything wrong. I got way more satisfaction from saying the few lives I did and now take satisfaction in knowing I'm a support role in saving lives.

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[rebelp74]

I didn't know CG had to get approval to board. I always thought that it was ok for them to do so anytime they wanted in US waters. Atleast I think it is. Something along that anyways in 46 CFR. I could be wrong, I do know they always call the bridge for permission to board but I'm pretty certain they can board regardless of permission.

United States Code 14 sec .89 is what gives the USCG the authority to board any vessel. When I said they had to get approval I meant from the local command. A lot of local commands on shore really hate bothering boaters and are only looking to board people that are an obvious or seem to be an obvious violation of some law like safety regulations.

I'm glad that I no longer have to board boats and do that shit. I always enjoyed the life saving part of the job more than the LE side of it.

Gotcha, you're talking about boating. I was stuck on shipping for some reason.

[Tomkat]

Olly what was the typical mood of the citizens you boarded?


All better now!

[waterfowlman]

Olly what was the typical mood of the citizens you boarded?


All better now!

I think I can answer that for Olly TK. I would guess that the vast majority of boaters are glad the USCG is on the job. We've only been boarded a few times when arriving from foreign ports and the CG guys were always very professional and pretty cool once they realized we were on the up and up. It's mostly the lawbreakers or asshole boaters that have a problem with the USCG fellas.

[rebelp74]

Olly what was the typical mood of the citizens you boarded?


All better now!

I think I can answer that for Olly TK. I would guess that the vast majority of boaters are glad the USCG is on the job. We've only been boarded a few times when arriving from foreign ports and the CG guys were always very professional and pretty cool once they realized we were on the up and up. It's mostly the lawbreakers, asshole boaters, and merchant marine, but we don't show it so the inspections go as smoothly a spossible, that have a problem with the USCG fellas.

Added a little in there for you.